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#: 12527 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
30-Aug-89 19:45:41
Sb: #TCP/IP Gateways
Fm: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44
To: anyone
We have a TCP/IP Internet - are there any products that would allow us to login
to a Novell File Server over this Internet? I've heard of a Micom TCP/IP
Gateway...any comments?? I also downloaded IPX-IP.txt, has anyone purchased
this product - and if so - does it let you logon over the internet?
Thanks,
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#: 12587 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
30-Aug-89 23:28:30
Sb: #12527-TCP/IP Gateways
Fm: Dennis Beach 75400,327
To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
Micom which is now Interlan Gateway only supports access from the LAN to the
TCP/IP system. It does not support accessing the LAN.
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#: 12606 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
31-Aug-89 01:49:01
Sb: #12527-#TCP/IP Gateways
Fm: Patrick Corrigan 75170,146
To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
NetWare 386 will eventually allow TCP/IP (and other protocols) to be a peer to
IPX/SPX. I'm not sure what this means about Internet access to NetWare
servers, but maybe someone from Novell could comment.
Patrick
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#: 12838 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
01-Sep-89 04:51:09
Sb: #12606-TCP/IP Gateways
Fm: Jason Lamb [Novell] 76247,2301
To: Patrick Corrigan 75170,146 (X)
NW386 will eventually support multiple network protocols in the server, so
that, in the case of TCP/IP, TCP/IP workstations can access the Netware server.
(The likely use of this would be in conjunction with some type of NFS NLM which
would allow TCP/IP-NFS machines to communicate with the Netware server via
TCP/IP, and do a NFS mount of the Netware drive on their machine)
-jl-
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#: 12837 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
01-Sep-89 04:50:52
Sb: #12527-TCP/IP Gateways
Fm: Jason Lamb [Novell] 76247,2301
To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
Both commercial, and public domain products that run TCP/IP and IPX
simultaneously at a PC workstation are for connecting to both Netware and
TCP/IP hosts. You use IPX to connect to a Netware server, and TCP/IP to connect
to a TCP/IP host. The Micom gateway lets a Netware server run the TCP/IP to a
TCP/IP host FOR another PC workstation.
You say that you have a TCP/IP internet. What you need to explore is some type
of product that will let you route IPX packets over your internet. Like
bridges/routers/brouters etc.
-jl-
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#: 12901 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
01-Sep-89 12:02:13
Sb: #12527-#TCP/IP Gateways
Fm: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44
To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
Jason, That is what I am looking for...Do You know of any products that support
that type of bridge/routing ?? I'm especilly interested in a SW solution, one
that would use to etherlink cards in a Novell File Server, 1 running IPX and
the other routing TCP/IP. I'd be happy to leave a phone number/mailing address
to get the info. Thanks ---
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#: 12970 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
01-Sep-89 17:26:17
Sb: #12901-TCP/IP Gateways
Fm: Patrick Corrigan 75170,146
To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
If I'm reading the information correctly, NetWare 386 should eventually provde
that capability directly.
Patrick
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#: 12986 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
01-Sep-89 19:56:38
Sb: #12901-TCP/IP Gateways
Fm: Jason Lamb [Novell] 76247,2301
To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
Darrell,
If your intent is to stick a PC workstation somewhere on your TCP/IP internet,
and have it be able to establish a connection to a Netware server, then the
internet has to route both TCP/IP packets, (what it does now), and IPX packets.
The product you need, depends on the configuration of your internet. If you
have no bridges/routers/brouters between your intended WS location, and your
intended server, you might not need anything. If you do have one of the
aformentioned products then it needs to route both IPX and TCP/IP packets.
(CISCO was pointed out by someone else in this thread and is just such an
example..) You might be able to do it with Netware bridges, but if your
internet is a common one, it would be very difficult.
Having TCP/IP supported on an Etherlink card in your Netware server, buys you
nothing. You would need some type of TCP/IP Netware shell for your PC, that
could establish a connection with the server using TCP/IP. That would also
require some type of software on the server as well. To my knowlegde there is
no such product.
-jl-
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#: 13340 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
05-Sep-89 00:59:28
Sb: #12901-#TCP/IP Gateways
Fm: Robert Schloss (WPCorp) 75470,2713
To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
Darrell.... I'm not sure (I've jumped in in the middle of this conversation),
but there is a program by BYU that does both TCP/IP and IPX routing through an
external bridge. It allows workstations to access both IPX and TCP servers on
the ethernet backbone. I'll check my notes and get back to you this week. Let
me know if this is simular to what you're looking for.
Robert
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#: 13474 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
05-Sep-89 16:31:09
Sb: #13340-TCP/IP Gateways
Fm: Donald G. Crawford 75170,1152
To: Robert Schloss (WPCorp) 75470,2713 (X)
Robert,
The details are in PKT-TC.ARC in LIB 17, I do believe.
Don
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#: 12950 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
01-Sep-89 14:41:14
Sb: #12527-#TCP/IP Gateways
Fm: Mike Richey 76004,2032
To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
cisco Systems Routers will pass IPX packets through their routers, as well as
TCP/IP. There's a lot of overhead when using multiple protocols on the routers,
and it tends to slow them down. The cisco products work very well, you can
contact cisco systems at 800-553-2447, they're located in california.
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#: 13463 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
05-Sep-89 14:27:44
Sb: #12950-#TCP/IP Gateways
Fm: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44
To: Mike Richey 76004,2032 (X)
Thanks for the feedback.... I am looking into the cisco router option....I'll
post any info I find.
I have 2 Novell Networks running over Ethernet. Also running, over the same
Ethernet Cables, are TCP/IP and several other protocals (XNS...). I think, I am
looking for a gateway at each end to convert the IPX into TCP/IP and back
again. I do have Novell File servers at each end, and am looking for some type
of internal bridge that would route the local IPX stuff accross the internet to
the other Novell file server. But, and external bridge may be a good solution.
A dedicated PC at each end that can handle the routing/conversion.
I may just have to wait for 386 - and if so thats ok.
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#: 13515 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
05-Sep-89 20:03:09
Sb: #13463-#TCP/IP Gateways
Fm: Timothy Lange 75410,525
To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
There is a West German company that sells a hardware/software solution for
bridging servers via TCP/IP. It also lets PCs on the IP network to login to a
Netware server. I remember the cost is $1500 for a ethernet board and
software. If you want exact info reply and I will look it all up.
I seem to remember a posting on the Internet by someone at Wollongong that
talked about encapsulating IPX packets into IP so the IP network would act as a
bridge between servers. The network programmer here thought it would be a
trivial task, but has not had the time to check it out.
Tim Lange
Purdue U. Computing Center/MATH Bldg/West Lafayette, IN 47907/(317)494-1787
Arpanet & Bitnet=tim@j.cc.purdue.edu Easplex=>INTERNET:tim@j.cc.purdue.edu
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#: 14037 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
08-Sep-89 19:50:21
Sb: #13515-TCP/IP Gateways
Fm: Brian Meek (Excelan) 73627,1671
To: Timothy Lange 75410,525 (X)
I've heard of this West German company as well... but I don't have
much info. I'd appreciate a pointer to them.
Certainly, IPX/NCP over IP will be the best solution when offered with
NetWare 386... I would guess that we'll see this first in a Portable NW
implementation because it's a bit closer to being really protocol independent.
Meanwhile, here's a possible kludge using TCP/IP based terminal servers
and NetWare External Remote bridge software:
NetWare IPX and TCP/IP Ethernet (San Jose)
----------------------------------------------------------
| | | |
mux1 NW Ext. Remote Br. NW ServerA Host/IP router
| 19.2K baud| |
+-----------+ |
(Asynch) |DDN Network
|
NetWare IPX and TCP/IP Ethernet (Provo) |
---------------------------------------------------------------
| | | |
mux2 NW Ext. Remote Br. NW ServerB Host/IP router
||||| |
||||+-----------+
|||| (19.2K baud Asynch lines from mux)
||||
NetWare Access Server
A "Permanent Virtual Circuit" is established between serial ports on mux1
and mux2 via TELNET protocols over TCP/IP, while NetWare Remote Bridge
software uses the PVC to connect the remote LANs. This enables any NetWare
client in San Jose or Provo to use attach to NetWare Server A or B.
In addition, TCP/IP users in San Jose can establish TELNET sessions to mux2
ports attached to the NetWare Access Server in Provo and run NetWare/DOS
applications remotely.
This should all work quite easily, I'll see if I can get someone here to
test. Skip Addison said the current remote bridge async driver may not
support required flow control, but I don't think that all terminal servers
would require it anyway.
brian
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#: 15775 S2/ELS NetWare
20-Sep-89 07:45:56
Sb: ELS-I Installation
Fm: John Crook [Novell] 76702,420
To: Don Singleton 76154,26 (X)
..you have to realize that for your first installation you picked the version
of Netware that could be a little m
Inflating: TCPIP2.TXT <to console>
#: 5754 S8/ARCnet
12-Oct-88 21:29:17
Sb: #5424-Arcnet Drawbacks?
Fm: Glenn Fund (Sys*Op) 76704,63
To: John T. McCann (WIZARD) 70007,3430
Hey guys.... Probably the best and most comprehensive workstation TCP/IP
product comes from FTP Software ($395) 617-868-4878. Most every ethernet and
some other boards are supported. Most options available including FTP Server.
Most of the other manufacturers do not have this option yet. This allows
multiple file transfers to take place using wild cards and also supports
directory functions to determine what is out there to get. You can load the
FTP TCP/IP with your Novell shells. You should have no problems getting your
SUN workstations to get data off of your Novell LANs..By the way, Micom
licenses its workstation product from FTP. Many others do to. Get your TCP/IP
from the guy (John Romkey) that wrote the original TCP/IP PC product for MIT.
Most vendors, including IBM have "borrowed" this public domaign software and
have enhanced it. -Glenn
#: 7204 S14/TCP/IP,X.25,Email..
25-Oct-88 20:56:20
Sb: #7035-tcp/ip fishing
Fm: Glenn Fund (Sys*Op) 76704,63
To: Len CONRAD, Paris 71251,462
Len, I prefer the FTP TCP/IP implementation. Has more features and it is not
restricted to Excelan or any other single board. You may run it on
workstations with 3COM Cards, MICOM cards, Token Ring Cards, Proteon Cards...
you get the idea. You do not need a Novell or other server for a TCP/IP
workstation to work. It has its own unique TCP/IP address and name that it
uses on the TCP/IP network. The FTP implementation is compatible with the
Novell workstation shells, and both can be load simultaneously (ie you can have
file transfers from the Novell server to/from remote VAXes, SUNS, orther PCs).
I believe the FTP stuff will be cheaper for you to install too. Check 'em out.
In the States, you can reach FTP at (617) 868-4878 (MA). -Glenn
Inflating: TCPIP1.TXT <to console>
#: 24949 S1/General Info/Help
01-Sep-88 12:44:02
Sb: TCP/IP
Fm: WILLIAM STACKPOLE 76666,774
To: Rich Adams 70020,557 (X)
We run Novell and TCP/IP to our Computer Vision System using Sytek ethernet
cards and their multi-protocol converter. No problem. The local community
college here uses Excelan cards to do the same thing only they take to an HP
3000 using TCP/IP and the Excelan card talks to both at the same time! No
gateways on either of these systems. All accessible devices (i.e. Novell
servers, minis, PCs) are connected to the same ethernet segment.
Inflating: OPNSYS.TXT <to console>
NOVELL OPEN SYSTEMS PRODUCTS PROVIDE INTERNETWORKING CONNECTIONS FOR
NETWARE USERS
NetWare Protocol Engine Supports TCP/IP and OSI Standards
BOSTON, Mass., NETWORLD -- February 11, 1991 -- Novell, Inc., developer of
NetWare systems software products, today underscored its commitment to
industry standards and open systems networking by including a complete
TCP/IP transport protocol implementation in the core NetWare v3.11 network
operating system. The company also announced NetWare FTAM, a
GOSIP-compliant file transfer implementation that links NetWare v3.11
servers with the OSI networking environment.
Novell's TCP/IP, implemented as a set of NetWare Loadable Modules (NLMs),
is a platform for interoperable services among TCP/IP-compliant systems and
applications. It also leverages the NetWare v3.11 modular architecture,
which supports simultaneous multiple protocols and services, to integrate
Novell's IPX protocols and TCP/IP traffic on the same network.
"We're seeing more and more customers who need to integrate their NetWare
environments with TCP/IP systems," said Bob Davis, director of product
marketing at Novell's San Jose development center. "Including TCP/IP in
the core operating system provides a seamless NetWare-TCP/IP integration
solution, reaffirms Novell's ongoing commitment to industry standards and
enhances NetWare's position as the most versatile and functional network
computing platform on the market today."
Novell's TCP/IP performs four primary functions:
o Standard IP routing -- through Novell's TCP/IP, NetWare v3.11 supports
dynamic IP routing, using TCP/IP's Routing Information Protocol (RIP),
as well as static routing. TCP/IP packets can be routed across
separate network segments of similar (e.g., Ethernet-to-Ethernet) or
dissimilar (e.g., Ethernet-to-Token Ring) topologies.
o NetWare services over TCP/IP -- NetWare can take advantage of IP
routing to move IPX packets across the TCP/IP internet. This
leverages existing IP infrastructures, such as campus or corporate
backbones, and offers simplified network administration, since TCP/IP
is the only protocol present on the wire.
o Standard application development support -- Novell's TCP/IP includes
TLI (Transport Link Interface), Socket Libraries and RPC (Remote
Procedure Call) APIs (application programming interfaces), enabling
interoperability with other standard TCP/IP implementations and giving
programmers a familiar and consistent development environment.
o Network management -- Novell's TCP/IP features an SNMP (Simple Network
Management Protocol) agent, allowing NetWare v3.11 TCP/IP protocols to
be administered by any network monitoring device that employs SNMP,
such as Novell's LANtern network monitor.
NetWare FTAM
Novell also announced NetWare FTAM, a file transfer facility for exchanging
data in a multi-vendor OSI (Open Systems Interconnection) environment.
NetWare FTAM (File Transfer, Access and Management) is a server-based
application for the NetWare v3.11 environment and runs at the application
layer of a full seven-layer OSI protocol implementation. NetWare FTAM
gives NetWare servers full participation on OSI-based internetworks,
similar in nature to Novell's NetWare NFS in TCP/IP environments.
As a result of Novell's participation in various domestic and international
OSI standards bodies and compatibility testing organizations, such as
OSINET and NIST (National Institute of Standards and Testing), NetWare FTAM
is fully compliant with the United States' Government OSI Profile (GOSIP)
specifications.
"With US GOSIP 1.0, OSI has emerged as an important interconnection
standard worldwide and Novell will continue to support it as it evolves,"
Davis said. "NetWare FTAM, and the underlying OSI protocols, give our
customers in government agencies and large corporate installations the
ability to plan migration and coexistence strategies as OSI becomes more
prevalent."
Pricing and Availability
Novell's TCP/IP implementation is included in the NetWare v3.11 operating
system at no extra charge. In the United States and Canada, NetWare FTAM
lists for U.S. $4995 and will be available in April 1991 from all Novell
Platinum resellers and qualified Novell Gold resellers.
For pricing outside the United States and Canada, customers should contact
their local Novell Authorized reseller.
Novell, Inc., (NASDAQ: NOVL) develops NetWare systems software products
that manage and control the sharing of data across a variety of network
computing environments, including computer workgroups, departmental
networks and business-wide information systems.
Contact:
Kelli Christensen
Novell, Inc.
801/429-5933